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Post by Steve on Oct 7, 2018 17:15:32 GMT
I’ve been considering for a long time what the presence of two attackers would mean for this case, as to me the autopsy has always strongly suggested that was the case. Now we have a very experienced FBI profiler showing near certitude that this was the case. This is huge.
It seems to me that one one of the following must then be true:
1. Angel knew there was more than one person there and was not honest about her account. There are many reasons this could be the case, but none of them look good for her.
2. After Angel fled, the second attacker showed up to help and in those scant few minutes before the police showed up managed to help murder Matt and then fled without a trace.
We’ve talked about the timeline extensively. It seems very unlikely that the second option happened. I know almost everyone I’ve spoken to who knows Angel says that if you knew her, you’d be sure she couldn’t have been involved. Yet this conflict remains. I have to admit that I’m now firmly convinced she knows more than has been publicly shared.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:13:02 GMT
Thereve been other girls like her that have pulled the same stunt, especially when you : 1- Surround yourself with other church members and hide inside a “Christian” community. I don’t think many of those folks would want to consider that she’s in any way to blame. She can pretend in front of them, and they will believe her. 2- You’re younger and attractive and have kids with the deceased person. That makes things a lot more convoluted. You’ve got his family who want contact with the kids and don’t want to believe that Angela would have harmed Matt or gotten someone to do it. I truly believe she had 2 people involved, because of the weapons and the 2 different supposed areas that this attack occurred. The bedroom, and bathroom. I’m still confused as to the knife part. The guns would have done the job if they got the first shot or two into a vital area. As said before, I think she hired or bribed someone into coming in that night. I’m not sure what I think about her playing a direct part in it. She was there, but how big a role she played in the physical shooting/ stabbing is still a mystery. It also sounds as if her mom is somewhat of a “ character”, but I can’t recall a case where a mother in law took part in a shooting/ knife attack on her son in law. I do believe she knew it was going to happen, if the supposed story about her “ having a bad feeling” that night, waking up, and driving to their house for no reason. ODD. Was she there to help rid some of the evidence from the scene ? Possibly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:29:10 GMT
Also, I STILL think the guys were already in the house , hiding. She could’ve waited til Matt fell asleep for them to come in and begin the attack. Thereve also been others who have harmed THEMSELVES to make it look like they were also attacked. Look way back to the Dr Jeffrey McDonald . He knifed himself ( mostly flesh wounds) , to make him look as if he were also under attack. Sadly, his wife and 3 little girls were killed. Another case was Diane Downs. She had a new boyfriend who didn’t like kids, but she had 3. She took them for a drive, shot them all, then shot herself in the forearm( another minor wound), to make it look as if she weeper also a victim.
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Post by wirebender on Oct 7, 2018 20:38:00 GMT
I’ve kinda always wondered if there were two attackers as well. I don’t think that a second attacker came in as she was fleeing. I just don’t think there would’ve been time fo the second to enter. If there were 2 they probably came in together.
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Post by dwight on Oct 9, 2018 21:12:58 GMT
Someone brought up a good point on the Facebook page. 2 guns used more than likely would mean 2 shooters. Each gun would hold at least 5 rounds or more. No one would fire a couple rounds from one gun then switch to the other. They would fire all rounds out of one then switch to the other which is inconsistent with the round count on file. Looks like 2 shooters.
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Post by Steve on Oct 9, 2018 21:49:33 GMT
While I am totally on board with there being two shooters, because that’s the only thing that explains the variety of weapons used and how they were used... I haven’t seen anything from any source that tells us how many bullets were fired. I’ve always assumed both guns were probably emptied, but I have no basis for that. None of the official sources tell us anything about bullets that may have missed. If you, or anyone else, has a source on this I would love to get the details!
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Post by sunshine on Oct 10, 2018 23:48:26 GMT
I believe that there were two attackers. My theory is that Angel and her Mother (her Mother being the mastermind) planned this. I believe that they also helped pick up shell casings after Matt was murdered. My theory is that Angel left the sliding glass door unlocked. Hanna was at a sleepover on a school night so she would not be home. They went to bed like normal then Angels Mom brought the two people to the home and also took them away after Matt was killed. That is really why I think she was in the area not because of a bad feeling. In my opinion I also believe that Matt knew the attackers pretty well and that is why it was over kill. They have to 100% make sure he was dead so he couldn’t identify them. I believe the people were close to their family. I had heard about shell casings in the Moms car early on but didn’t know it was true. I just do not see why someone would let her run out for help. And her not to take her other child. She knew that she would be ok. I had also heard about the box fan and it just doesn’t seem possible to me that the fan didn’t get knocked over in all of the commotion. I think that the podcast is awesome!! Thank you Freddie for taking your time to pursue this case and to Steve for setting up this forum. I knew Matt in Highschool and after he became saved and he would do anything to help anyone. He genuinely care for everyone he came in contact with. I hope one day he will receive the justice he truly deserves.
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Post by seeker99 on Oct 11, 2018 2:35:04 GMT
I believe that there were two attackers. My theory is that Angel and her Mother (her Mother being the mastermind) planned this. I believe that they also helped pick up shell casings after Matt was murdered. My theory is that Angel left the sliding glass door unlocked. Hanna was at a sleepover on a school night so she would not be home. They went to bed like normal then Angels Mom brought the two people to the home and also took them away after Matt was killed. That is really why I think she was in the area not because of a bad feeling. In my opinion I also believe that Matt knew the attackers pretty well and that is why it was over kill. They have to 100% make sure he was dead so he couldn’t identify them. I believe the people were close to their family. I had heard about shell casings in the Moms car early on but didn’t know it was true. I just do not see why someone would let her run out for help. And her not to take her other child. She knew that she would be ok. I had also heard about the box fan and it just doesn’t seem possible to me that the fan didn’t get knocked over in all of the commotion. I think that the podcast is awesome!! Thank you Freddie for taking your time to pursue this case and to Steve for setting up this forum. I knew Matt in Highschool and after he became saved and he would do anything to help anyone. He genuinely care for everyone he came in contact with. I hope one day he will receive the justice he truly deserves. I agree that there had to be more than 1 attacker. Hannah sleeping over wouldn't have been on a school night since she was in a private school and they get out before June typically. Regardless I do believe there was a reason she was sleeping over at a friend's house, or allowed to that night. I just pray that more people who are criminal investigators pick this story up and get involved. The truth needs to come out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 8:53:04 GMT
Can anyone from that area tell me how far away Angela’s mom lived from them ? Her story sounds pretty hokey about why she decided to show up that time of night for no reason that makes sense. I’d also like to know more about her past. Single, married once or multiple times, any history that stands out, such as violence, alcohol or drug use, , money issues , or was she a supposed good churchgoing lady too ? Someone needs to write a book about this story. Too much missing information.
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2018 14:23:38 GMT
I believe that there were two attackers. My theory is that Angel and her Mother (her Mother being the mastermind) planned this. I believe that they also helped pick up shell casings after Matt was murdered. My theory is that Angel left the sliding glass door unlocked. Hanna was at a sleepover on a school night so she would not be home. They went to bed like normal then Angels Mom brought the two people to the home and also took them away after Matt was killed. That is really why I think she was in the area not because of a bad feeling. In my opinion I also believe that Matt knew the attackers pretty well and that is why it was over kill. They have to 100% make sure he was dead so he couldn’t identify them. I believe the people were close to their family. I had heard about shell casings in the Moms car early on but didn’t know it was true. I just do not see why someone would let her run out for help. And her not to take her other child. She knew that she would be ok. I had also heard about the box fan and it just doesn’t seem possible to me that the fan didn’t get knocked over in all of the commotion. I think that the podcast is awesome!! Thank you Freddie for taking your time to pursue this case and to Steve for setting up this forum. I knew Matt in Highschool and after he became saved and he would do anything to help anyone. He genuinely care for everyone he came in contact with. I hope one day he will receive the justice he truly deserves. This is certainly the most common theory as to what happened that night, and it's been around from the very start of the case. It's still here because there's nothing out there publicly that disputes it. It certainly could be true... even though it doesn't give any motive or clues as to who the actual shooter(s) may be. It fits a lot of the facts that we know and many of the rumors that are out there. Still, I do have a small issue with it. It's obvious. I'm certain this was the first thing the police thought, too... so it must have been investigated and investigated hard, and yet there are no arrests, no suspects declared, no link that they felt strong enough about to talk about. It appears, apart from Freddie's efforts to reawaken the case, that they've both been more or less left alone by the police and community for years now. If the MPD thought they did it, would they really have let the pressure off of them in hopes of learning something randomly some day? Maybe the MPD is incompetent, I don't know. Or corrupt. Or the family is protected somehow. Or perhaps the police don't want these two because they know they didn't pull the triggers and they've made the decision to try to find the people they got to do it for them. It's all possible. It's even possible they've pulled off the perfect crime and even if the police 'know' they did it, they don't have any evidence to prosecute. Or, maybe, the police have done a pretty good job at looking at the two of them and have concluded: nope, it wasn't them. I'm not discouraging this theory. It's still a very strong possibility... I just don't want to fall into the trap of thinking it's the only one worth investigating because a trained police force with far more information than we have has had years to make this case and haven't done so.
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2018 14:56:22 GMT
Can anyone from that area tell me how far away Angela’s mom lived from them ? Her story sounds pretty hokey about why she decided to show up that time of night for no reason that makes sense. My understanding is about 30 minutes away. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm off by much. Supposedly her spending time at night with them was not unusual for her. She certainly was there regularly, often watching the kids for example, although this night's circumstances may have been a bit different from the usual pattern. I've heard multiple accounts about her actions that night from multiple sources... showing up and leaving again vs. only showing up after the murder. I've also heard various reasons why she went there in the first place, including bad dreams and premonitions. All of it is certainly very suspicious, but none of it is documented in any way that we can verify because it's an open case. I’d also like to know more about her past. Single, married once or multiple times, any history that stands out, such as violence, alcohol or drug use, , money issues , or was she a supposed good churchgoing lady too ? All I can tell you is what I've heard from multiple sources: There are two sides to Brenda. Everyone thinks she's a character, many getting along well with her. She's all over Facebook heaping likes and positive comments on her friends. She's extremely protective and outspoken. She is unapologetically herself at all times and is very much the protective mama bear type. On the other hand, and she'd probably be secretly proud of this comparison, she runs her family and close friends like a mafia don. I know that on more than one occasion, people have told Freddie that they need to 'get permission from Brenda' before they can talk to him. People who talk to Freddie have often gotten phone calls afterwards from her... and then they never talk to him again, at least on the record. This is the culture that has been created around this case that has caused at least one reporter to stop reporting on the investigation. Brenda seems to be the spider at the center of a very tightly controlled web. To be very clear, though, this does NOT make her guilty. It can easily be argued it makes her suspicious... it can easily be argued that protecting those around her is far more important to her than finding Matt's killer... but she has been thoroughly investigated (as far as we know), went through at least one lie detector, and still she isn't considered a declared person of interest. Her only relevant criminal history seems to be that she was arraigned on a misdemeanor charge of 'communicating threats' somewhere around 2000, and it appears to have been dismissed. I have no information on possible previous marriages. Someone needs to write a book about this story. Too much missing information. Are you volunteering?
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Post by pursootski on Oct 11, 2018 15:03:10 GMT
I agree that there had to be more than 1 attacker. Hannah sleeping over wouldn't have been on a school night since she was in a private school and they get out before June typically. Regardless I do believe there was a reason she was sleeping over at a friend's house, or allowed to that night. I just pray that more people who are criminal investigators pick this story up and get involved. The truth needs to come out. I pulled my son's school file out to find what day the last day of school was for Mooresville Graded School District in June 2009, before I read your comment. Knowing she went to a private school makes this irrelevant now but just in case anyone is curious, the last day of school for MGSD for the 2008-2009 school year was 06/09/2009. This may be slightly relevant if the friend she stayed over night with attended MGSD. Does anyone know which private school she attended? Private school is awful expensive for someone on a nurse salary.
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2018 15:08:28 GMT
Does anyone know which private school she attended? Private school is awful expensive for someone on a nurse salary. She attended the school that was attached to RiverLife Fellowship Church, in Mooresville. The school, I understand, no longer exists. I don't know how expensive it was, but as active church members I am sure they could make arrangements.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 15:16:49 GMT
Just a comment regarding a nurse’s salary. I’m not sure how much they make in that area , but you could comfortably live here on that much. Especially if both were completed with their studies.
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Post by pursootski on Oct 11, 2018 15:17:42 GMT
I have no information on possible previous marriages. Was Brenda married at the time of Matt's death?
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