meesha
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Post by meesha on Sept 19, 2018 4:04:02 GMT
“police didn't enter the house for more than an hour and a half after Angel ran out”
Do we know why? Is there any record as to what they we’re doing?
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Post by scarcrow on Sept 19, 2018 10:17:33 GMT
Because they were told that the daughter was still inside and there was a suspected hostage situation. One thing to keep in mind is that Mooresville is not that big and does not have a big sway team that has members on shift around the clock most of them would have gotten the call in the middle of the night and had to drive from their houses to the police station to form up.
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Post by truthseeker1 on Sept 19, 2018 13:46:11 GMT
I also find it extremely strange that the family will not talk to anyone about the murder but is fine participating in a music video and telling the story. Just very strange to me....I can’t imagine why someone would not want to solve the case and get justice for their loved one’s murder. Then again, I completely understand that I am not in their situation and there are things only they know that are contributing to their decisions. I agree 100% with all of this. I have heard over and over that they are afraid. People believe the killer is still out there. I hate that answer. Who is seeking justice for Matt? Freddy only, apparently.
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Post by pursootski on Oct 10, 2018 3:58:14 GMT
Who/where is the father of Angela's oldest child? She had a child already when she met Matt. Was she previously married? Who is the father? Was he a part of the child's life at the time of Matt's murder?
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Post by Steve on Oct 10, 2018 12:03:37 GMT
It's correct that Matt was not Hannah's biological father. She wasn't previously married. The father is not publicly known, from what I've heard, even to Hannah. Since this person is unidentified, it's also unknown if this person was still in Angel's circle at the time of Matt's murder.
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Post by pursootski on Oct 10, 2018 17:37:10 GMT
It's correct that Matt was not Hannah's biological father. She wasn't previously married. The father is not publicly known, from what I've heard, even to Hannah. Since this person is unidentified, it's also unknown if this person was still in Angel's circle at the time of Matt's murder. I'm looking into this. This man should have been considered a suspect. Since Matthew adopted Hannah she must have been going by Stewart. Does anyone have any information on what her last name was prior to that? Angela's maiden name? You can message the information to me so as not to violate the name policy of this forum.
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Post by ja1jojo2 on Oct 11, 2018 3:44:18 GMT
Angel's grandmother owned the insurance company with another person, from what I gather. "Pless-Haire" Insurance, it use to be on main street. Also, Mrs. Sara Haire was very involved in politics for a very long time. How does Sara Haire-Tice fit into all of this?
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2018 13:02:11 GMT
How does Sara Haire-Tice fit into all of this? As far as I can tell, she doesn't. If someone has any evidence of a connection, I'm interested in knowing more... but both Freddie and I have tried to find a link here and not gotten anywhere.
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Post by curious1982 on Oct 12, 2018 3:39:09 GMT
How does Sara Haire-Tice fit into all of this? I was told that by someone, and since I could not find any kind of proof of her being Angel's grandmother, I THOUGHT I deleted that comment. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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Post by pursootski on Nov 1, 2018 2:44:35 GMT
It's correct that Matt was not Hannah's biological father. She wasn't previously married. The father is not publicly known, from what I've heard, even to Hannah. Since this person is unidentified, it's also unknown if this person was still in Angel's circle at the time of Matt's murder. I'm looking into this. This man should have been considered a suspect. Since Matthew adopted Hannah she must have been going by Stewart. Does anyone have any information on what her last name was prior to that? Angela's maiden name? You can message the information to me so as not to violate the name policy of this forum. I have searched birth records for the following counties : Iredell, Mecklenburg, and Rowan. There is no record of Hannah's birth. I searched under last name Haire, Stewart, and Yandle. Is it possible Hannah was born out of state? I see Angela's mother spends extensive time in South Carolina and Florida, maybe Angela gave birth there?
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2018 11:38:32 GMT
My understanding of the way that adoption works in North Carolina, after researching the same issue, is this:
When you're adopted, your original birth certificate is removed from public access. It goes into a special system where no one has access to it and a new one is created to replace it. This new one lists the key information from the original birth certificate with the new parents listed. For all practical purposes, the original certificate then ceases to exist and the new one becomes the only birth certificate. This certificate is handled on the state level, not at the county level, so you will never find it by searching within a county. To get a copy of the birth certificate from the state requires you to demonstrate a legitimate reason to have access to it... so this would be a higher standard than most counties have. Even then, all you would get is the updated birth certificate showing Matt Stewart as Hannah's father.
I could have misunderstood some of these details, but I'm reasonably confident I've gotten the overall procedure correct. Please don't hesitate to point out where I may have gotten it wrong.
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Post by pursootski on Nov 6, 2018 23:59:24 GMT
My understanding of the way that adoption works in North Carolina, after researching the same issue, is this: When you're adopted, your original birth certificate is removed from public access. It goes into a special system where no one has access to it and a new one is created to replace it. This new one lists the key information from the original birth certificate with the new parents listed. For all practical purposes, the original certificate then ceases to exist and the new one becomes the only birth certificate. This certificate is handled on the state level, not at the county level, so you will never find it by searching within a county. To get a copy of the birth certificate from the state requires you to demonstrate a legitimate reason to have access to it... so this would be a higher standard than most counties have. Even then, all you would get is the updated birth certificate showing Matt Stewart as Hannah's father. I could have misunderstood some of these details, but I'm reasonably confident I've gotten the overall procedure correct. Please don't hesitate to point out where I may have gotten it wrong. I read this same information somewhere but I understood this process to apply only to adoptions that take place of children by non family members? I'm not sure how to describe my interpretation. For example there are "outside adoptions", or adoptions of children by 'strangers'. And there are also these types of adoptions where step parents (or other family members) adopt children of their spouse/family. Does that make sense? Permanently destroying an original birth certificate does not seem like good record keeping practices to me? I would think both documents should be kept on file with references to each other? What would be the reasoning/benefit behind this practice?
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Post by Steve on Nov 7, 2018 13:08:49 GMT
I read this same information somewhere but I understood this process to apply only to adoptions that take place of children by non family members? I'm not sure how to describe my interpretation. For example there are "outside adoptions", or adoptions of children by 'strangers'. And there are also these types of adoptions where step parents (or other family members) adopt children of their spouse/family. Does that make sense? It certainly makes sense, but it would also make sense that they don't have two sets of procedures to follow. That could lead to errors where some county or state employee grabs the wrong form and suddenly protected information is released to the public. I simply don't know. Permanently destroying an original birth certificate does not seem like good record keeping practices to me? I would think both documents should be kept on file with references to each other? What would be the reasoning/benefit behind this practice? Adoptions are taken extremely seriously in most cases. I think most of the procedures are focused around protecting the natural parents from discovery. The original birth certificate isn't destroyed, I don't think, but it's placed outside of the reach of anyone without a court order to unseal it.
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betty
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Post by betty on Nov 11, 2018 19:40:03 GMT
Ok, tried to add this before, but I think the adoption issues are not relevant assuming Angel is biological mom. I doubt Matt formally adopted Hannah as its not really necessary if biological Dad wasnt involved
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betty
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Post by betty on Nov 11, 2018 19:43:34 GMT
What kind of data bases are you aearching for the birth certificates? In many states, this information isnt readily available especially if it is a minor child.
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