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Post by dwight on Aug 31, 2018 14:01:43 GMT
I’m like you Dwight never made any sense. Especially using a canine they could possibly figured out what the neighbors dog was barking at. Yes, and if it took police 2 hours to enter the home, maybe they could have saved Matt's life!?
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2018 14:31:22 GMT
It certainly does feel like there was more that the police could have done the night of the murder, or done differently. It's hard to understand the circumstances they were dealing with, though. No disrespect to them intended, but I doubt that Mooresville PD had dealt with many things like this in the past.
As for Matt still being alive... looking at the Medical Examiner's report (which can be found in the Media & Documents section), it seems like the killer made very sure he was dead before leaving the scene. I strongly suspect Matt had passed before the police were even in the neighborhood.
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Post by meesha on Aug 31, 2018 17:36:31 GMT
First, the podcast is wonderful. Too bad it is needed. Praying for the truth. Two things: 1. The oldest daughter is at a neighbors house, first EVER sleepover? This implies premeditation of some sort. 2. Angel never mentions her child left in the home to the neighbors who she runs to, where she calls 911. Where is the 911 transcript? Doesn’t sound like any mother I know.
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Post by meesha on Aug 31, 2018 17:52:20 GMT
First, the podcast is wonderful. Too bad it is needed. Praying for the truth. Two things: 1. The oldest daughter is at a neighbors house, first EVER sleepover? This implies premeditation of some sort. 2. Angel never mentions her child left in the home to the neighbors who she runs to, where she calls 911. Where is the 911 transcript? Doesn’t sound like any mother I know. According to websleuths.com thread.
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2018 17:54:06 GMT
First, the podcast is wonderful. Too bad it is needed. Praying for the truth. Two things: 1. The oldest daughter is at a neighbors house, first EVER sleepover? This implies premeditation of some sort. 2. Angel never mentions her child left in the home to the neighbors who she runs to, where she calls 911. Where is the 911 transcript? Doesn’t sound like any mother I know. I just wanted to take a moment to address your first point, because this comes up a lot. We have definitely heard and read many times that this was the daughter's first sleepover ever. BUT If you listen to the interview with Hannah on the first episode (skip to the 17:40 mark) you will hear that she specifically says that this was "a sleepover two doors down, like I did almost every weekend". So the question immediately becomes: Who do you believe? Multiple sources who say this was the first sleepover, or Hannah herself? Her claim seems credible and it's not likely she's intentionally lying about it, especially when she doesn't seem to be doing it with the motive of 'correcting the record' but is instead simply filling in details to the story of the night. Of course, on the other hand, the murder happened early on a Tuesday morning and she's mentioning that sleepovers would happen on the weekend. So there is still a bit of mystery there... and there is always the possibility that this was indeed her first sleepover despite her claims. As for the 911 transcript, I've asked Freddie about that and he said they only keep them for so long before they are deleted or destroyed. I'm sure it's in the case evidence that the police have, but the public record is no longer available. If someone knows a way to still get it, it would be invaluable!
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2018 19:17:22 GMT
The 911 Event Report, also known as the 911 Call Log is available, though. It's in the Media Coverage & Documents section of this forum. There's quite a bit of info in there if you look closely. It may be worth a Q&A session to dissect it.
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Post by wirebender on Aug 31, 2018 22:13:49 GMT
I think in one of the earlier podcast one of the preachers talks about her first sleep over. As for the 911 tape it’s possibly in the evidence file and there for probably never was public record due to the crime. Just a thought.
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Post by flight75 on Sept 2, 2018 17:40:13 GMT
We lived very close to Matt and Angela's home. I don't remember exactly what time of the morning it was but I looked out and saw all the police cars. We watched from our front window and saw lights from police cars down both sides of the street and police walking around. No one came to our house until around 06:30 to ask if we heard or saw anything.
I wonder if the police ever took metal detectors through the large bushes that ran behind their house, as well as the other home on that side of the street to look for any guns or knives.
Everything just seemed odd about the whole thing. The rumors ran wild for weeks in the neighborhood and everyone was on edge for some time.
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Post by scarcrow on Sept 4, 2018 2:44:02 GMT
Something things that have really bothered me first is the members of the church that have been talked to. First off every time that someone has been talked to they seem to have been very touchy when asked some things such as if they ever wonder about the police catching the killer they always deflect answers and say no and we should just almost give up. Second off is that how does a pastor get to go into the house and retrieve items. Seems like to me that would condem a crime scene and how do you know he’s not removing evidence. Also how does the pastor work closely with the police and know all these facts and other things but no one else can get any information. Secondly is how does the mother clean the house?? Why would a crime scene cleaner not do it. Just makes no sense to me why after she suspiciously shows up and came around all police barricades but now we allow her to clean the crime scene? Thirdly is if the story is as they say and Matt got up and began to fight this guy and there is blood all over the place how are their not traces of where the suspect left out either door. Cause most houses in that development have concrete back porches and front steps. I feel as if there would be a way to track the suspect. And if they could have somewhat of a direction there is plenty of people around the Mooresville area with dogs. Just a few thoughts!
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Post by freddie on Sept 4, 2018 4:59:47 GMT
Something things that have really bothered me first is the members of the church that have been talked to. First off every time that someone has been talked to they seem to have been very touchy when asked some things such as if they ever wonder about the police catching the killer they always deflect answers and say no and we should just almost give up. Second off is that how does a pastor get to go into the house and retrieve items. Seems like to me that would condem a crime scene and how do you know he’s not removing evidence. Also how does the pastor work closely with the police and know all these facts and other things but no one else can get any information. Secondly is how does the mother clean the house?? Why would a crime scene cleaner not do it. Just makes no sense to me why after she suspiciously shows up and came around all police barricades but now we allow her to clean the crime scene? Thirdly is if the story is as they say and Matt got up and began to fight this guy and there is blood all over the place how are their not traces of where the suspect left out either door. Cause most houses in that development have concrete back porches and front steps. I feel as if there would be a way to track the suspect. And if they could have somewhat of a direction there is plenty of people around the Mooresville area with dogs. Just a few thoughts! Scarcrow, I’m glad you asked this question about the pastor going in the house. It’s important for me to clarify; the pastor told me he was asked to retrieve items for the family a week or so after Matt’s murder, which, as I understand, was well after the crime scene was cleared by investigators. As I understand from our conversation, he was there after the scene was cleaned, though apparently there were spots missed. His knowledge of how the crime scene appeared in the immediate aftermath of the attack (how he stated that there was blood on the blinds) was derived from what investigators told him. As you can likely tell, I heavily edit the interviews. While it’s my intention NOT to cut out clarifying, key details in the final cut, I’ve clearly got some work to do before mastering that craft. After listening, many were left with the impression that the pastor was allowed to see the crime scene while it was being processed, and that’s inaccurate. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by 2ndbest on Sept 4, 2018 17:22:48 GMT
Hey everyone, New Poster here! Is there any information on whether Matt owned a revolver for home defense? One thing that keeps striking me odd is the 2 calibers and a knife. I am thinking on the lines of every thing reported by the family is accurate. A tall man comes into the bedroom and starts shooting, the wife gets up and runs out of the room. In my review of the medical examiner report there is a gunshot that goes through one shoulder / upper back and out the other side of the back near the upper shoulder. When I reviewed over this it seems like he was twisting when hit, maybe reaching for a weapon in the nightstand beside the bed. If that would hold true, then the struggle begins the gunman loses his gun, Matt loses his, gunman grabs his knife swipes / slashes / stabs. Grabs a gun that is on the floor or somewhere, shoots, empties, grabs the other gun to empty it. Then finishes with the stab to the head. I found online that there is at least one manufacturer of 40 caliber revolvers (Taurus Model 405 for example), and 38 caliber revolvers are very common. The revolver would explain for the no casings found. Another thing noted was the finding of at least one small plastic ball (I think this was noted in the podcast or maybe in the ME report). That would indicate something like a Pow'R ball ammunition, along with the brass pieces found in the skin indicating a partial jacket of some sort.
Just some thoughts, sorry this is so long.
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Post by dwight on Sept 4, 2018 18:17:30 GMT
2ndbest, great post btw. From my conversations with family years ago, Matt did not own a gun, but had been contemplating getting one.
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Post by scarcrow on Sept 4, 2018 19:02:00 GMT
One other thing that i have questioned is how not a single sole heard a gun shot. Even the neighbors who let Angel if they were up and there was such a big struggle going on during this time don’t you think they would have heard a gun shot. As well being from Mooresville and knowing Matt and knowing the neighborhood that this occurred in and how close the houses are how did no one hear these gunshots. Unless two semi automatic were used, and yes they do make .38 semi autos, with silencers? Which then begs me to believe in a hitman. Just some thoughts.
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Post by truthseeker1 on Sept 19, 2018 14:43:09 GMT
There are so many perplexing questions about this case. If I had to limit it I would say why aren’t the family members demanding justice and how could his wife have left her child (unless there was no danger to her child and she knew it.)
I have a million more questions...but those two are a start.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:59:18 GMT
I put a long post on the other night, then took it down for one reason, which I’ll address at the end. Let me first say that I’m a true crime junkie. I’ve been reading True crime books for 40 years. ( almost every one I can find) . I’ve also watched tons of true crime documentaries and listened to hundreds of podcasts. Below are my comments. PS—-****Im using the wife’s full name , Angela , because she’s no ANGEL . 1- Angela’s story does not add up. Picture yourself being asleep in a dark bedroom . An intruder comes in with at least 2 weapons, if not 3. A knife and probably 2 guns. I’m not a gun expert, but if there were 2 different type bullets used so I’m guessing it was 2 guns. It’s dark in the room. How does he spray the bedroom “across the headboard “ according to the daughter) , and Matt gets filled with bullets and Angela gets a tiny flesh wound ? 2- If the guy had that many weapons, why would he let Angela run out of the room to get help and concentrate only on the husband ? He’d shoot the wife to stop her. 3- Facial composite - how did Angela help make a composite when she said all she saw was the outline of the man standing in the doorway ? 4- No mother would run out of the house and leave one of her kids asleep ( UNLESS she knew the shooter wouldn’t hurt the daughter ) 5- Very odd that the cops didn’t enter the house sooner. If they knew their was a child inside in danger, they would have entered somehow to assure her safety. 6- I believe there was more than one shooter. Very odd that one guy would bring an arsenal of weapons to kill one man. 7 - How long before Angela’s mother was allowed in to clean up the bedroom ? Wasn’t the house sealed by the cops so they could search for evidence ? 8- The comment from the neighbor guy, saying Angela showed up at their door COVERED IN BLOOD. I’m a nurse. A small flesh wound on her wrist wouldn’t cause her to be covered in blood. 9- In one episode, Matt supposedly mentioned being a troubled kid in his younger years , being a drug user , then someone says maybe one of those “bad guys “ from his teen years came back to get him. This was 10-12 years later. I don’t buy it. 10- The interview with Matt’s sister. You could tell she ( or possibly the whole family ) has an idea of who did it, but refrains from saying so. This could be for 2 reasons , either they are disagreeing within the family on Angela’s involvement, OR the cops told them NOT to say anything until they could get more evidence against her. 11- WHY the intruder came in. Most home invasions are for two things : money, or rape. Neither one happened 12- Last but not least : my reason for removing my original post. The religion aspect. All the supposed “ testimonies” given by friends, relatives, etc are irritating. These people sound stupid, giving the LORD all the glory when Matt is dead. Using this event in their church sermons to testify about all the miracles. Wake up folks. You’ve got a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing living amongst you. Take a look at finances, life insurance, and affairs of Angela. Guaranteed it was for one of those reasons. Was it a policeman messing with her? He’d be in a position to possibly cover things up or mess up the scene.
*** Message to Freddie. You said in the beginning you’re not a podcaster. Surprise ! Yes you are, and a darn good one. You started this, so don’t stop. Keep chipping away at this. You started it, now see it through. Podcasts have helped solve cold cases. Matt has been dead 9 years. People are walking around free to live their lives that are guilty. Go after them. Don’t let your religion and knowing some of those affected cloud your judgment.
***Message to Angela’s new husband : wear a bulletproof vest and sleep with one eye open. Don’t buy a large life insurance policy.
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