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Post by Batman on Oct 22, 2018 17:39:50 GMT
The family's "we just want to move on" doesn't work because .. The obvious: #1. You TRY to move on from someone dying of cancer or in a car wreck. NOT from MURDER with no answers! The scary no care in the world for anyone else: #2. So the family doesn't care about justice for Matt (Ok, weird, but whatever) but, by not wanting to assist or have anything to do with catching the killer, they seemingly don't care that a killer is most likely still out there? WTF!!!
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Post by Steve on Oct 23, 2018 13:27:55 GMT
I don't believe the family and close friends have really exhibited the attitude of "we just want to move on".
When you "just want to move on", you don't make music videos and accompanying interviews describing the murder and allow them to post them on YouTube for promotion... as Angel apparently did. You don't give interviews with details about the murder and then decide that you've been too forthcoming and try to stop the interview from being made public, and then turn around and post the parts you want to be public on YouTube... as Hannah apparently did. You don't 'move on' by putting pressure on family members and friends to not discuss the case publicly if your motivation is to let it go.
These, in my opinion, are all examples of trying to control the narrative. It's not about putting it behind you, it's about self-interest. They don't appear to be interested in what would be best for Matt, but in what would be best for them.
On the other side, it's my understanding that Matt's family has had opportunities in the past to have major media look into the case, but have declined. Matt's parents have been remarkably silent on the case. His sister seems more concerned with what the rest of the family might think about her interview than with how her information might help push someone to come forward.
You'll even find 'friends' of Matt on Facebook who will actively lobby others to not discuss the case... not on Facebook, not on the podcast, not even in line at the store with friends. This is outrageous to me. The silence and secrecy surrounding this case has not done it any favors in nine years other than to make it less inconvenient for the people who would typically be at the forefront of wanting justice. They have created a culture, apparently on purpose, that hides information rather than seeks the truth.
I can only wonder... if it were one of them that had been brutally murdered instead of Matt... what would Matt have done? Do you think Matt would have moved on?
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Post by Batman on Oct 23, 2018 13:35:55 GMT
Matt would have definitely not moved on. I met him a few times, he wasn't that kind of guy from what I could tell.
But like I stated above, why is everyone seemingly "OK" with a killer being on the loose?? (Because didn't the grandma say, "the killer is still out there" or something like that.
That's some scary sh*@!
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Post by freddie on Oct 24, 2018 19:00:45 GMT
Great points Steve and Batman ! Throughout the course of my work on the podcast, various people have confirmed that, at a certain point in time, the America's Most Wanted TV Program was actively pursuing filming a segment about Matt's unsolved murder. Several of these sources claimed that what ultimately killed the project was the immediate family's refusal to participate. This correlated with other accounts I had heard from reporters like Jonathan Weaver, formerly of the Statesville Record and Landmark, who recalled getting significant push back from the family when attempting to do a story about the murder. However, there is no evidence that the family wishes to simply "move on" and not talk about it. To the contrary, both the family and church community have consistently shown an abundant willingness to speak about the murder publicly, but solely within the context of their personal experiences coming through the tragedy. (As you can see from these videos Angel's story and Hannah's video)
The push back only comes when someone starts asking questions about who could have killed Matt, for what reason, or the specifics of how the event transpired.
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Post by Batman on Oct 25, 2018 14:43:31 GMT
Is it possible that Matt's family has suspicions, but hasn't made them public or doesn't want them known for fear of Angel and her family keeping the kids completely away from them? I believe this or intimidation/fear to be the reason they have resisted.
Either way, the fact that there is resistance (and threats made) to finding a killer (who is alive supposedly) is very troubling to me. I would want all murderers brought to justice and off the street for the safety of others.
Something doesn't add up.
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Post by lkurtyka on Oct 27, 2018 17:08:30 GMT
Maybe this is a motive for his murder. If Matt wasn’t the type of person to let things just lie, then he maybe was silenced because of that. All speculation but it’s an interesting theory.
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Post by thomakn on Nov 30, 2018 14:08:09 GMT
I don't believe the family and close friends have really exhibited the attitude of "we just want to move on". When you "just want to move on", you don't make music videos and accompanying interviews describing the murder and allow them to post them on YouTube for promotion... as Angel apparently did. You don't give interviews with details about the murder and then decide that you've been too forthcoming and try to stop the interview from being made public, and then turn around and post the parts you want to be public on YouTube... as Hannah apparently did. You don't 'move on' by putting pressure on family members and friends to not discuss the case publicly if your motivation is to let it go. These, in my opinion, are all examples of trying to control the narrative. It's not about putting it behind you, it's about self-interest. They don't appear to be interested in what would be best for Matt, but in what would be best for them. On the other side, it's my understanding that Matt's family has had opportunities in the past to have major media look into the case, but have declined. Matt's parents have been remarkably silent on the case. His sister seems more concerned with what the rest of the family might think about her interview than with how her information might help push someone to come forward. You'll even find 'friends' of Matt on Facebook who will actively lobby others to not discuss the case... not on Facebook, not on the podcast, not even in line at the store with friends. This is outrageous to me. The silence and secrecy surrounding this case has not done it any favors in nine years other than to make it less inconvenient for the people who would typically be at the forefront of wanting justice. They have created a culture, apparently on purpose, that hides information rather than seeks the truth. I can only wonder... if it were one of them that had been brutally murdered instead of Matt... what would Matt have done? Do you think Matt would have moved on? Where are these videos??
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Post by Steve on Nov 30, 2018 15:53:26 GMT
I think Freddie posted links to both videos in his post that is a few above yours... but if they don't work you can find the one from Angel in the media section on this forum.
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Post by curious on Dec 27, 2018 12:18:10 GMT
Great points Steve and Batman ! Throughout the course of my work on the podcast, various people have confirmed that, at a certain point in time, the America's Most Wanted TV Program was actively pursuing filming a segment about Matt's unsolved murder. Several of these sources claimed that what ultimately killed the project was the immediate family's refusal to participate. This correlated with other accounts I had heard from reporters like Jonathan Weaver, formerly of the Statesville Record and Landmark, who recalled getting significant push back from the family when attempting to do a story about the murder. However, there is no evidence that the family wishes to simply "move on" and not talk about it. To the contrary, both the family and church community have consistently shown an abundant willingness to speak about the murder publicly, but solely within the context of their personal experiences coming through the tragedy. (As you can see from these videos Angel's story and Hannah's video)
The push back only comes when someone starts asking questions about who could have killed Matt, for what reason, or the specifics of how the event transpired. I would love to see the interest created from the podcast push a network to do a show about Matt, even if the family decided not to participate. Let their choices speak for themselves. Matt deserves justice regardless of what the family wants. Furthermore, I can’t imagine being okay with the crime not being solved. I wouldn’t rest until I had those answers.
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Post by GruvieGirl80s on Jan 6, 2019 16:55:18 GMT
Having grown up in and among the evangelical Christian culture, it is not surprising at all to me, the closing of ranks around those closest to this tragedy. Especially in more charismatic Christian environments there tends to be an attitude of 'we're special, God has special plans for us, we don't have to follow or cooperate with what the 'world' thinks or does, we only have to follow where the Spirit leads and what the pastor says and what the Bible says.' I'm not saying this to be hurtful or judgmental, but as another perspective in regard to the behavior surrounding this incident from those closest. I credit my more charismatic experiences with much of the really cool ways that I relate with Christ and the Holy Spirit. But I've moved on from being deeply involved with any church and I've come to see some of the ways in which this veneer can breed unhealthy stuff, from secrets and lies to just plain old denial. The interviews with the people from the church who didn't think searching for justice for Matt should be a priority, and that there is eternal justice and 'I've given it to the Lord' were not at all surprising to me - nor was it surprising that when Freddie asked, 'do you ever think that it could be important to catch the killer/s for the safety of other people - after all, there is a killer running loose?' the answer from two of them was 'oh, I never really thought about that.'. I just rolled my eyes. You can look at it as a sinister plot to aid and abet killer/s that are part of the church community (definitely possible), or see it as a sad by-product of this kind of mind set that can sometimes disconnect people from the bigger picture. There is definitely some hinky stuff in this story, I just don't know if the way that some of the family has seemed to 'leave it behind'and not pursued justice is suspicious or just a faith-based coping mechanism.
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Post by seeker99 on Jan 21, 2019 19:57:24 GMT
Having grown up in and among the evangelical Christian culture, it is not surprising at all to me, the closing of ranks around those closest to this tragedy. Especially in more charismatic Christian environments there tends to be an attitude of 'we're special, God has special plans for us, we don't have to follow or cooperate with what the 'world' thinks or does, we only have to follow where the Spirit leads and what the pastor says and what the Bible says.' I'm not saying this to be hurtful or judgmental, but as another perspective in regard to the behavior surrounding this incident from those closest. I credit my more charismatic experiences with much of the really cool ways that I relate with Christ and the Holy Spirit. But I've moved on from being deeply involved with any church and I've come to see some of the ways in which this veneer can breed unhealthy stuff, from secrets and lies to just plain old denial. The interviews with the people from the church who didn't think searching for justice for Matt should be a priority, and that there is eternal justice and 'I've given it to the Lord' were not at all surprising to me - nor was it surprising that when Freddie asked, 'do you ever think that it could be important to catch the killer/s for the safety of other people - after all, there is a killer running loose?' the answer from two of them was 'oh, I never really thought about that.'. I just rolled my eyes. You can look at it as a sinister plot to aid and abet killer/s that are part of the church community (definitely possible), or see it as a sad by-product of this kind of mind set that can sometimes disconnect people from the bigger picture. There is definitely some hinky stuff in this story, I just don't know if the way that some of the family has seemed to 'leave it behind'and not pursued justice is suspicious or just a faith-based coping mechanism. I agree 100%! I am apart of the "charismatic" church in general and a lot of times they use what is being said to "move on and let God handle it"....but I disagree with that altogether! God is our avenger, yet He calls us to truth! Where is the truth in hiding? Where is the truth in covering something up? Where is the Justice for Matt? ? He did not deserve this and you are all correct in saying he would have fought for justice no matter what. I do believe the killer is among the "church folk"....why else cover this up? If my spouse was murdered like this, there is no way I would just sit on the sidelines and be able to move on! Especially if I knew something! Enter witness protection or whatever! Better yet, do what scripture says and lay down YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR BROTHER!!! I am so ready to see something come from this and for Matt's death to finally be laid to rest. I am praying for truth to come forth and for those that know to have no peace until all pieces of this puzzle are put together!
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