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Post by JusticeWillPrevail on Jun 15, 2019 21:22:54 GMT
There seems to be one red flag after another in this tragedy. It is highly suspicious that Hannah would be sleeping over at the neighbors if she were leaving for the beach with her grandmother the next day. The fact that she normally had to ask Matt, but was told by her mother and grandmother it was okay is another red flag. Matt was still at work and was scheduled to work the next day according to his supervisor interviewed. This would mean he would not see her until she returned from her beach trip. Most parents would want to see their child before they left on a trip. Were suitcases packed? Apparently grandmother had spent time at Matt and Angel's that day. I just wonder when she would have had time to pack in between visiting, purchasing milk, following her bad feelings, etc. Matt's murder was not random, nor was it in the heat of the moment. There are too many reasons to believe it was planned. It probably was not planned for Matt to fight for his life as hard as he did, but nonetheless someone planned it.
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Post by Batman on Jul 1, 2019 17:58:34 GMT
There was no beach trip. Total horse manure to get the daughter out of the house.
(They might even have told the daughter there was a trip, but there never was really a beach trip going to happen)
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Post by JusticeWillPrevail on Jul 2, 2019 3:16:29 GMT
I agree 100% Batman!
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Post by freddie on Jul 2, 2019 4:49:14 GMT
There was no beach trip. Total horse manure to get the daughter out of the house. (They might even have told the daughter there was a trip, but there never was really a beach trip going to happen) I certainly understand why you might feel this way. The sleepover thing jumps out to a lot of people. But my conversations with Michele (mother of girl Hannah slept over with) have been a real game changer in the way I view this sleepover, and the idea that it may have been planned ahead of time. Had Angel planned for Hannah to sleep away from home that night, she likely would have set up the sleepover with Michele ahead of time. Yet, Michele describes it as happening spur of the moment and having been something her daughter and Hannah came up with. I tend to believe Michele on this for a number of reasons. While she’s obviously willing to quash some provocative rumors (like this one), she also corroborates others (the $300 phone call, etc). Her general account of the way things transpired that night (who called who, who was where, etc) syncs up well with other testimonies I’ve compiled. Generally she seems genuinely concerned with what happened, but doesn’t have a strong theory or “angle” to push. So, if we believe Michele, then unless the girls coming up with the sleepover on their own was all staged (which I find quite unlikely) or unless Michele is remembering it wrong (perhaps more likely), then the sleepover couldn’t have just been a ploy to get Hannah out of the house... at least not one that was thoroughly planned out. A year ago, I harbored some real suspicions about the sleepover having been planned out... now I’m really skeptical that could be the case. These are just my thoughts, not saying anyone else has to see it the same way or take Michele’s account as completely accurate...just my 2 cents. |
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Post by Batman on Jul 3, 2019 2:16:37 GMT
Here is my issue and why I still find it very fishy.
What parent allows their daughter to do a sleepover the night before a beach trip? I went on a ton beach trips as a kid and the night before, was preparation time. Usually there is packing and getting everyone in bed early and making sure everything is set for the next day. You would think we were going to the moon. Also why would Mother-in-Law be there earlier in the day if she was coming to right back the next morning to pick up the granddaughter? If she was going to sleep over anywhere, it would have been at her grandmothers house.
Even with the vague remembrance testimony of Michele, I don't believe for one bit there was a beach trip really going to happen.
Do we have receipts for the hotel? Did they have a house or rent a condo? Where is the paperwork on all this?
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Post by freddie on Jul 3, 2019 12:47:44 GMT
Here is my issue and why I still find it very fishy. What parent allows their daughter to do a sleepover the night before a beach trip? I went on a ton beach trips as a kid and the night before, was preparation time. Usually there is packing and getting everyone in bed early and making sure everything is set for the next day. You would think we were going to the moon. Also why would Mother-in-Law be there earlier in the day if she was coming to right back the next morning to pick up the granddaughter? If she was going to sleep over anywhere, it would have been at her grandmothers house. Even with the vague remembrance testimony of Michele, I don't believe for one bit there was a beach trip really going to happen. Do we have receipts for the hotel? Did they have a house or rent a condo? Where is the paperwork on all this? I can definitely understand your line of thinking there. I agree, her sleeping at the friends house before the beach trip was odd... especially the point made about the fact that, in Michele’s account, Hannah hadn’t seen her dad that night before getting permission to sleep-over and, since he was scheduled to work that next morning, she likely wouldn’t see him until after the trip. That part certainly seems off. I can tell you that beach trips for the Stewart’s happened often. If you’ll remember, Pastor Bollinger said in S1E2 that he had just been to the beach with the Stewart’s a week or so before Matt’s murder (I subsequently confirmed this with Matt’s supervisor). Angel has a brother who lives at the beach, and her mother owns a place there too (that’s at least my understanding). So, that may have made beach trips less of a big deal. All that said, I personally don’t know if there was suppose to be a beach trip.... in fact, I think it’s notable that in both interviews with Hannah, she recalled being surprised when she opened the door and saw her grandmother when she went to pick her up at her friends house the next morning. At that point I hadn’t heard of the beach trip, but I asked if it would have been unusual for her grandmother to be there. She said no, that her grandmother babysat the kids regularly, but she wasn’t expecting to see her grandmother that morning...Hannah certainly didn’t mention a beach trip. Granted, she was 11 years old at the time and this was clearly a tragic event, wouldn’t expect her to get all the details just right. |
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Post by aprilrnc on Jul 30, 2019 2:40:45 GMT
I can buy the sleepover combined with the beach trip. I'm local to Mooresville and we aren't far from the beach. Yes, it's a drive, depending on the beach. Some as little as 3 hours away, but some much more, 6+. If they had family that lived by the beach, they don't need all that much besides clothes, so it's not something you need huge amounts of prep for(especially from an 11 year old). She doesn't need to be so rested for 3-6 hours of driving so it's not like the daughter would need to be at home preparing. The only thing that really sticks out to me is the plans for departure to the beach. I thought the mom of the friend she stayed with mentioned they were to be leaving very early in the morning. Ive got kids, they've had sleepovers, but I'd never really feel ok waking another family very early if I needed my child home for an early departure. It's kind of an inconvenience that most moms wouldn't want to put on another mom. So to hear that she was allowed to stay the night knowing they'd have to wake another family early for them to leave for the beach, that stuck out to me.
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